“Son of Florida, grandson of industrial Ohio, great-grandson of Italy”: The ancestry of Ron DeSantis

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What follows here is a long-form approach to Ron DeSantis, via a close look at his ancestry, family, and upbringing, and how those things (may have) shaped his political life, ideas, and attitudes.

The main thrust and purpose is to shine a light on, and get good insights into, the rising political star that is DeSantis, via a comprehensive, original-genealogy-research-based, all-branch review of Ron DeSantis’ ancestry. We go back to 19th- and early-20th-century Italy, and then to industrial Ohio.

The article has a sandwich-like format, with the “meat” in the middle. Recent happenings in DeSantis’ own life come first and last. A final, conclusion section reflects on the meaning of some of the findings, and considers what a President Ron DeSantis would mean.

First, a snapshot of DeSantis arriving on the scene (2018) and recent years’ developments (2018-2021), including the high profile he attained during the Corona-Panic.

Then comes the original-research section on Ron DeSantis’ ancestry and family, mainly dealing with his immigrant ancestors arriving from Italy in the 1900s-1910s and what they did in America.

Last, a third part dealing with DeSantis’ own early-life developments before the decisive governor’s race (1980s-2017), all of which I believe offer valuable insights into the DeSantis phenomenon, who he is, how he got here (as it were).

I believe this effort is unique among the millions of words written on DeSantis up to now, in focusing on his ancestry and looking for stories of interest informative of who he is and how he thinks, in an in-depth way rather than dismissal with a word or two (“Italian”).

The purpose is to help us understand Ron DeSantis. One conclusion can be stated out front: the critical ‘moment’ of his life, and adult identity and politics, was his arrival at Yale in 1997 at age eighteen. Early in his time at Yale, he says, he came to see elite US culture as something foreign, something which had drifted into being alien and alienating. He had not been acculturated into that kind of thinking. If not, then what kind of culture and worldview did he arrive with? Where do any of our worldviews come from? A major source is one’s family, family tree, actual genetic inheritance and self-perceived ancestry. The ancestral portrait, with an eye on the current-day political, strikes the root and not the branches (to garble up the tree metaphor). And so here it is.

Some might incline to dismiss it all with a word or a line or two. Meaningful insights seldom come from one-liners. One-liners end up caricaturing people and in some cases confusing things.

DeSantis is, without doubt, America’s stand-out Republican governor today and has been since mid-2020. His fame and prestige is tied inextricably now to the “Corona-Panic.” He was the first major governor to ban “lockdowns,” mask mandates, and the rest; to confront and maneuver to dismantle the fear-peddling cultural-virus that emerged in early 2020. He refused mandates and every other Corona-Panic whack-a-mole thing that pops up. He became very conversant on medical aspects of the controversy and had the courage to bring them to their proper conclusion. A major purpose of this investigation is to ask where this came from. A sweep back through the generations and through his own earlier life, I think, provides the answers.

I should add that DeSantis will be of great interest again throughout 2022 for his reelection campaign (Nov. 2022 general election for governor, thirteen months from this time of writing [Oct. 2021]). And, if he wins it, he’ll be a major contender for president in 2024 and beyond.

Ron DeSantis, one of the “men of the hour.” He deserves the attention we give him, including this long-form effort. Thanks in advance for those who read this, and follow along on this little journey.


Summary of points:

  • Governor DeSantis’ parents are both born-1940s Americans. Both are of Italian ancestry.

  • Ron DeSantis’ ancestors entered the USA from Italy in the 1900-1920 period (mean year of arrival: 1912/13; median: 1914). There is no evidence of non-Italian ancestry on any branch, back four generations at least.

  • At least half of DeSantis’ ancestry traces mainly to the region of Abruzzo, central Italy, including ancestors on his father’s and mother’s sides; a lesser number are from the hills in the interior of Campania region, just south of Abruzzo.

  • The Italian ancestors are almost all interior, mountain people and none come from coastal areas or metropolises.

  • All four pairings of Ron DeSantis’ great-grandparents involved Italian men who arrived some years before the woman (future brides in three cases; a wife left behind in Italy in one case, later joining her husband).

  • Most of DeSantis’ ancestors settled in the greater Youngstown, Ohio area and some in the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area.

  • Occupations: One great-grandfather was a steel mill worker. Two worked for the railroads, one as an “oiler,” another eventually rose to “superintendent” after years as a “superintendent’s field clerk.” The fourth great-grandfather was a pipe-fitter at a power plant. DeSantis’ own father (b.1946) was a blue-collar worker in Florida.

  • DeSantis’ parents left Youngstown, Ohio, for west-central Florida in the early 1970s, where Ron was born in 1978.

  • DeSantis’ father (b.1946) holds views today which were of mainstream, blue-collar centrist type in his youth, young-adulthood, and even into mid-age, but which, when expressed today, are “extreme” and put him in or near the Dissident Right.

  • DeSantis himself is a lifelong Floridian, born and raised in Greater Tampa Bay.

  • Although he entered the elite world after being accepted to Yale in 1997, DeSantis entered as something of an endangered species: a non-elite White-Christian from the “provinces.” He was not “primed” in adolescence to the views of the New Elite consensus, as were many of his peers. This long encounter was the decisive experience of DeSantis’ life by his telling, being disorienting at first.

  • He emerged as a well-grounded, in-system observer of, and critic of, the US New Elite. He at first thought that certain extreme views characteristic of the New Elite were contained within academia and such places but by the 2010s saw them infiltrating the mainstream, opposing which he characterizes as that which animates his politics today.

  • DeSantis had entered politics in 2011-12 after being inspired by the “Tea Party” movement of late 2007 to late 2012 (and which peaked in 2010). He was elected as a late-comer Tea Party type and took up the US Congress seat he won in early 2013.

  • When the Corona-Panic came in early 2020, DeSantis was instinctively distrustful of the Elite consensus, but bowed to early pressure to order lockdowns and “counter-measures.” In coming weeks and months he furiously studied the new data and soon concluded that the Corona-Panic was a mega-scale mistake, that all the interventions were either useless or counter-productive, that the whole thing continued because of political cowardice or demagoguery, and that it all served the New Elite’s interests in various ways. By late summer 2020, he had completely dismantled the Panic in Florida, at least the government-mandate side, and refused all pressure to bring it back. It was over, in Florida, after only a few months; versus two-plus years elsewhere…

  • We are left with some clear sources of Ron DeSantis’ politics which seem to derive from his family and ancestry. DeSantis positions himself as a defender of “our founding fathers” despite his own, entirely-late-Ellis-Island-era-arrival ancestral stock. This raises some interesting points on “assimilationism,” especially contrasted with Doctor Fauci — the anti-DeSantis — who is of primarily Naples and Sicily ancestry.


This essay is organized in sections as follows:

(1) Introduction (above).

— (Summary of points), above. —

(2) DeSantis enters the scene: 2018 (the year DeSantis entered national consciousness, but only to be forgotten about in 2019).

(3) The 2020 breakout (gaining fame/infamy during the Corona-Panic Year for opposing the Corona-Panic and refusing all elements of it).

(4) ANCESTRY OF RON DeSANTIS (including subsections on: father’s side ancestry traced back to Italy; a discussion of ancestral stock via y-dna in DeSantis’ main ancestral region, Abruzzo, back a few thousand years; mother’s side ancestry traced back to Italy; on Ron DeSantis and “assimilation.”)

The “Ancestry” section is this article’s longest section and is mostly original research with, as far as I can tell, information never elsewhere published.

(5) Childhood and adolesnce, 1980s-90s

(6) Ron DeSantis’ encounter with the U.S. academic-cultural elite, Yale, late 1990s

(7) DeSantis’ quiet years, 2011-2017

(8) Why did he turn against the Corona-Panic so strongly and uncompromisingly? — The full picture considered in light of the above findings; family, temperament, and life-experience and more.

(9) DeSantis for President — Concluding thoughts on what would be the U.S. president who will have the latest mean-ancestor-arrival-year (1910s).


DeSantis enters the scene: 2018

I begin with a brief section on how and when DeSantis entered the national spotlight for the first time. It was December 2017. He was beginning his run for Florida governor.

With Anti-Trump feeling at a fever-pitch, people in the big media agenda-setting centers like New York and Washington took inordinate interest in the Florida race, and so DeSantis was tossed into the soft limelight, but more as an effigy to scorn and mock — as, loosely, a “Trump guy.”

He was officially in the race by December 2017 and handily won the late-August 2018 primary.

DeSantis then won the general election in November 2018.

Following his win came the predictable-enough Red Team cheerleading and Blue Team boohooing.

His image, never more than vague outside Florida, and subject to distortion because of the media hostility to anyone they dubbed a possible “Trump guy,” DeSantis’ image emerged at the time as being, roughly, a “George W. Bush-style ‘dumb jock’-type Republican.” Maybe as a squishy Trump supporter, maybe a let-down. He was too much of an unknown-quantity. He seemed to fit that role of “dumb jock Republican.”

The Florida governor’s race got considerably more attention than usual in 2018 because of Florida’s role as the key swing state since 2000, and 2020 was approaching, the crucial election in which Trump would run for reelection. The 2018 political season was also the peak of Anti-Trumpism. The Anti-Trump side hoping they could pick off the Florida governorship and be positioned strongly for this key swing state in 2020. If it came down to the Florida state government disputing over which “hanging chads” to count and which not to count, they really wanted a ‘Blue’ guy in there, unlike that whole unpleasantness in 2000.

But there was also the symbolism. The Anti-Trump side wanted to show the nation and world that the key swing state of Florida rejected Trump in full force. And so the spotlight came down on Florida, more than usual, more even than its population-size and other characteristics would merit.

In the end, the Anti-Trump side was disappointed when DeSantis won, even narrowly (half a point), despite the Democrats winning in almost every ‘swing’ race in the USA.

This left many resentful of DeSantis, who had snuck in a victory when, by all rights, the state belonged to the ‘Blue’ team — especially ahead of the Nov. 2020 presidential election. US agenda-setters entered 2019 with much ill-feeling against Ron DeSantis for snatching that victory in Florida. The year passed with little further interest in DeSantis except that carried-over ill-feeling.


Breakout in 2020

All the above about 2018 was dramatic in its own time, but turns out to very much have been DeSantis’ political pre-history.

His real story begins with the events associated with the Great Corona-Panic of 2020. The Corona-Panic and its consequences put him in the spotlight. He turned against the Panic early and became a star, or a villain depending on which side of the Pro-Panic/Anti-Panic divide the observer fell on.

Many, even sympathizers, said he was taking an enormous gamble, that if his Anti-Panic (anti-lockdown, anti-mandate) policies ended up “costing lives,” he would be ruined forever, a political dead duck in addition to moral guilt. He felt sure he was doing the right thing after closely following the medical studies (as this website and others did throughout the Panic, concluding by April and definitely be May 2020 that all signs pointed to mega-scale false alarm). He refused to kowtow to Corona-Ayatollah Fauci and his backers.

The Pro-Panic side cast DeSantis as a villain. The Anti-Panic side, domestic and international, loved him. Either way, he got lots of attention.

We can see the outlines of the two distinct spikes of interest in Ron DeSantis on Google Trends — one associated with the 2018 governor’s race and then the long Corona-Panic period:

We see that there was no national interest in Ron DeSantis at all before the 2018 Florida governor’s race. Effectively zero. No one knew who he was. The first sign of any movement was in December 2017 (week of Dec. 17-23 — the Trump tweet was Dec. 22). But interest was minimal before August 2018, the Republican primary.

Interest spiked in line with the 2018 general-election campaign and, unsurprisingly, peaked in the election month of November 2018 — this during the hypercharged anti-Trump political wave. After the election, interest faded back to low levels, where it remained until a point in March 2020. Then it jumped again. It has remained elevated ever since. There have been several distinct spikes between March 2020 and the present (this writing, Oct. 2021).

Here is the same graph for Jan. 2019 (post-inauguration) to Oct. 2021, with a few weeks highlighted:

Interest in Ron DeSantis was consistently at very low relative levels before March 2020. His median weekly “score” on this scale for Jan.-Feb. 2020 was 1; mean: 1.8. Interest in Ron DeSantis spiked in March 2020, the in-earnest start of the Corona-Panic. It never quite went away; in 18 months he has never faded back to 2019 and Jan./Fe. 2929 levels.

A novel political split had occurred, one much more important than the so-called “novel coronavirus.” DeSantis soon emerged into a figurehead of the Anti-Panic side; against him stood almost all the major institutions of society and the elite, and many people devoted to the Panic with a religious-like devotion. Interest in DeSantis, as measured by Google Trends reached peaks with regularity; probably at least as much of it was negative and positive.

The awesome power of the Corona-Panic continued to roll on nationally and internationally, with few political figures willing to fight it. DeSantis, though, successfully dismantled all institutional, state-level forms of the Panic and its reach within Florida by August 2020 already. Florida cut off most of teh Corona-Panic’s tentacles that had infiltrated the state. Some regrew on their own; other Corona-Panic tentacles were always trying to probe ways in. The whole thing get renewed vigor once the Biden people came in. A considerable local (Florida) Pro-Panic constituency was also active, such as the now-high-profile ‘DeathSantis’ agitator, lawyer Daniel Uhlfleder (on whom, see discussion in a previous post’s comments section and on whom more momentarily). And so it went on and on.

One of the spikes in interest visible on the graph came in early February 2021. It reached “43” on the scale during which mid-August 2021 = 100. This was when DeSantis was in the news for his showdown with the then-new President Biden and Corona-ayatollah Fauci. Biden threatened, according to a reliable report, to cut off travel and vaccines to Florida if DeSantis continued to oppose the Corona-Panic and refuse lockdowns and mandates.

(from Peak Stupidity, originally posted at Real Raw News via a staffer leak.)

Already by fall 2020, DeSantis was a regular target of the national-level US media, which increased in 2021, which reinforced interest in him. This ire (and interest) were from his consistent, firm-line Corona-Anti-Panic position, refusing lockdowns, blocking onerous mandates, opposing masks and blocking local attempts to go around the statewide ban. He attacked proposed vaccine-passport systems, vowing that no such system will ever be allowed in Florida as long as he is governor. He became a bete noir of the Corona Pro-Panic side and in essence mocked them for pushing panic unnecessarily.

Throughout 2021, the “DeathSantis” group and its ringleader Daniel Uhlfelder has been releasing anti-DeSantis ads attacking him for failing to take Corona seriously. One which they released in early October 2021 reached a new low and was widely mocked (see discussion), widely mocked because it makes DeSantis look good and it made the Pro-Panic side itself, which funded and produced the ad, look bad:

That brings us up to the present, October 2021.

(I should add a brief mention that there were no major disturbances, riots, mass looting, or arson-sprees in Florida during the post-lockdown “George Floyd” riots of mid-2020, because DeSantis deployed his national guard promptly and forcefully. The governors and mayors hit by the rioting/looting/arson sprees all refused to deploy their national guards; these the same people who aggressively pushed flu-virus lockdownism and have never repudiated it.)

The DeSantis momentum was unstoppable. Whereas only the heartiest of Anti-Panic stalwarts were enthusiastically with him in the beginning in mid-2020 and others hedged or waited it out, by early- and mid-2021 he had accumulated a major following. A July 2021 “straw poll” found DeSantis might be ahead of Trump for the Republican 2024 nomination.

The influential, global-agenda-setting Economist spotlighted DeSantis in its “Lexington” column in July 2021, written just before the US-domestic Corona-Panic flames were rekindled:

Florida’s governor offers a more efficient style of Trumpism. That does not seem reassuring…

(The Economist, July 24, 2021)

Whoever is writing the Lexington column these days (it switches every few years but they are supposed to stick to a house-style as if the the same person were always writing it) seems to be working on that aforementioned, outdated view of DeSantis as a “Trump guy,” and possibly as some variant on “dumb-jock Republican,” the common view back in 2018.

We may recall that Trump was partially paralyzed by the Corona-Panic, or at least by the mighty powers of the ascendant Pro-Panic coalition. Trump fumbled, stumbled, flip-fopped, and gave mixed signals. DeSantis successfully took on and defeated the Panic. There was never any stumbling or fumbling or mixed-signals. Granted, it was not an election year for DeSantis. But whatever the reason, DeSantis was much better on the Corona Question than Trump, who was outmaneuvered much of the way. The biggest problem was that Trump tried to counter-demagogue on it all (e.g., the childish insistence on calling it “The China Virus”).

The future is yet to be written. As it stands now, DeSantis is the clear favorite for president in 2024 for millions of people, and the clear favorite overall if Trump does not run. This prestige and acclaim he gained for his stand during the Corona-Panic, one of the few voices of the Anti-Panic side in major office (see: “Where are the opinion leaders for the Anti-Panic side?” [Feb. 2021]).

Many of us see DeSantis’ refusal to cave into the Corona-Panic and his root-and-branch rejection of the Panic after closely following the latest data is a sign of moral courage, strength of mind, analytical and critical reasoning abilities. Only occasionally does this mix of qualities appear in the same man, and rarer still is such a person a majorly successful political career, as in governor of a state.

What is the provenance of such a man in today’s world? Whence cometh moral courage in this age in which it seems so lacking? In other words, we still would like to know: Who is Ron DeSantis? We seek not a resume or curriculum vitae. We seek to know who this man is. This can be hard but especially with politicians, for many of them deliberately create inoffensive and bland public-facing images.

If there are answers in the Ron DeSantis family story, genealogy, and ancestral story, the purpose of the rest of this essay is to look under the various stones we can find try to find answers.

Having no special access for interview or the like, I offer up this research-based portrait of Ron DeSantis’ parents and further ancestors back to the great-grandparent generation. The overall ancestral picture gives us lessons and some surprises.



Ron DeSantis’ ancestry is traceable entirely to the late Ellis Island period and back to central-southern Italy on all branches. His ancestors were mostly from mountainous, interior areas.

The earliest arrival was in 1900. The latest was 1920.

The “Ellis Island Era” generally dates to 1884 to 1914, with minimal “Ellis Island”-type arrivals before or after. DeSantis’ ancestral median-year-of-arrival happens to be 1914.

We can be confident in saying that a President Ron DeSantis would have the latest mean-year-of-ancestor-arrival of any president, including Barack Obama (whose father’s 1959 “arrival” to study in Hawaii a while, is offset, by much earlier median ancestral-arrival on the mother’s side).

I present now a full investigation into Ron DeSantis’ ancestors.


Ronald Dion DeSantis b.1978 (“Ron Jr.“)

It turns out that Florida’s governor is actually a “Ron Jr.” He has never marketed himself that way. But his father is also named Ronald D. DeSantis. When confusion is possible I am going to use “Ron Jr.” and “Ron Sr.” to distinguish the two.

  • Father: Ronald Daniel DeSantis (“Ron Sr.“), b.1946.
  • Mother: born Karen Rogers, b.1948.

Father’s side

Ron DeSantis Sr., the governor’s father, has ties to Pennsylvania and Ohio in earlier years of life and presumably still has many relatives there. But in his mid-twenties Ron Sr. left the industrial Midwest — which was just then starting to show first signs of “rust” — behind and went south to Florida.

Why exactly did Ron Sr. decide to leave Ohio, and why to Florida and not somewhere else? I don’t know, but the same meta-narrative still holds now, some fifty years later, now with the turn that people opposed to the Corona-Panic and see threats of destructive flu-virus lockdowns and onerous mandates, and see Florida as free of such depressing things. In Ron Sr.’s time there was no such thing — the severe influenza wave of 1968-69, the year before Ron Sr. married a local young woman; it passed in traditional flu season(s) with most people hardly noticing it. By the time his wedding (Oct. 1970) approached, it seems unlikely Ron Sr. would have remembered the flu wave of 1968-69 at all.

Ron Sr. was a blue-collar worker, as described by his son, the now-governor of Florida. He has presumably been retired some years, very likely in full retirement by the time his son’s political career got rolling in the early- or mid-2010s.

As for his personal background: Ron DeSantis Sr. is of entirely Italian ancestry, and quite late-arriving Italian ancestry at at that, with his all four grandparents (the governor’s paternal great-grandparents) arriving late teens and early twenties in the 1913-1920 period. The four lines consolidated in industrial Pittsburgh area (Beaver County) and Youngstown, Ohio (Trumbull).

Compiled from original research, by me (E.H. Hail) using various sources including US decennial censuses, newspaper archives, obituaries, and information on several genealogical websites.

Governor Ron Desantis (Jr.)’s four paternal great-grandparents (of eight total great-grandparents). Numbers refer to Ron DeSantis Jr.’s eight great-grandparents from father’s father’s father (1) to mother’s mother’s mother (8). Here they are:

  • (1) Nicola DeSantis: born 1898 in Cansano, L’Aquila province, Abruzzo region, Italy. Immigrated in 1915 to Greater Pittsburgh; steel mill worker; lived in much of adult life mainly among other Italians (Census 1940); died Beaver County, Penn., in 1971.
  • (2) Maria Nolfi: born 1901 in Cansano, L’Aquila province, Abruzzo region, Italy. Immigrated in 1920 to Greater Pittsburgh; married Nicola DeSantis prob. 1921 (first son b.1922); died in Beaver County, Penn., in 1944.

    NOTE: After the death of his wife Maria in 1944, Nicola DeSantis remarried a widow whose birth-name was Esther Pratt (1908-1987), previously married to an Angelo E. Galzarano (alias “Charles Johnson”) (b.1898, Brazil; d.1943, Pennsylvania).
  • (3) Salvatore Petrella: born 1889 in Italy (region undetermined). Married ca.1911 in Italy and had a son b.1912 in Italy. Immigrated alone in 1913 to Greater Youngstown, Ohio (Trumbull County); worked as an “oiler” for the railroad.
  • (4) Maria Dominique Casasanta, born 1893 in Italy (region undetermined). Immigrated in 1915 to join husband. As of mid-1940, she was still an noncitizen and had not yet submitted an application for US citizenship, though her husband had submitted papers by then.
  • 1915 is the median year of entry into the USA for Ron DeSantis Jr.’s paternal great-grandparents (mean year: 1916/17; range: 1915-1920). But the median year of citizenship acquisition may be in the later 1930s, as some of them made no rapid effort to get US citizenship; some may even have still been “enemy-aliens” when the U.S. declared war on Mussolini’s Italy in Dec. 1941.
  • Most of the people associated with these lines (including some of their parents) are buried at [Catholic] Mount Olivet Cemetery, Aliquippa, Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

The Abruzzo region, home the DeSantis ancestor and more still of Ron DeSantis (Jr.)’s total ancestral stock, is here:

However, the DeSantis ancestors (and also some on the maternal side) are from the interior and not the coastal part. They were mountain people from the L’Aquila part (province, as they call it) of Abruzzo:

Several hometowns we find in the genealogical paper-trail are in mountain towns in the Apennines mountain range.

Now, a brief step into prehistory via dna testing, a different sort of discussion entirely:

Ancestral stock via y-dna lines

The DeSantis paternal line (father’s father’s father’s…) traces to the interior southern part of Abruzzo province in the 19th century.

According to one genetic study (n=107), males with patrilineal descent from Abruzzo have y-lines (male lineal descent y-haplogroups) at the following rates:

  • 45-50% are male lines typical of northern-central-eastern Europe and the non-Mediterranean European meta-narrative — R1b, R1a, and I lines. These are the usual mix of Stone Age European descendants (Paleolithics and Mesolithics), and the Bronze-Age Indo-Europeans (R1b and R1a).
  • up to 20% are lines associated with the Neolithic farming expansion (G and E1b1b).
  • 20-25% of the male lines are of Greco-Anatolian or kindred stocks (mainly J2). Much of this probably dates mostly to the Bronze Age but mainly into the historical period; a portion is probably associated with the Greek colonization project in southern Italy in the first millennium BC.

    (On the Etruscans, the mysterious early kingdom who preceded the Greek colonists and the Romans: the Etruscan Origin question seems lately to be solved and indicate Etruscan male-ancestry was Indo-European but t hat the particular band of IE conquerors, whose later culture we call Etruscan, for some reason came to assimilate to the pre-IE culture and language they encountered — Etruscan was definitely non-Indo-European as a language — but in any case the “Etruscan” genetic-ancestral component should be placed in the “45-50%” above, especially R1b.)
  • An aggregate of around 10-15% of the male lines in Abruzzo trace to other sources, not classifiable above. These are harder to pin down with single, unified, coherent meta-narratives except that they come from points east and south; some measure of extra-European Roman-Empire-era population movements that assimilated-in locally must be in here. This element includes a circa-5% Semitic element; the rest is mainly or nearly entirely non-Semitic, but from the Mideast or that general direction.

The above is just for male lines (y-haplogroups). Female ancestry (mtdna) tends to be drawn from older population-stocks. When recent-arrival men showed up on the scene and made good, they took local wives, giving to their male offspring the foreigner (man)’s y-line but giving female offspring the native (woman)’s mtdna. (The reverse — the intrepid woman who arrives from afar, makes good, and takes a local husband — must have happened only rarely, if ever.) As such, the all-population share of Paleolithic, Mesolithic, and Neolithic ancestral-stocks are probably somewhat higher from the female side than from the male.

As for Ron DeSantis’ Abruzzo ancestry specifically, if it is as heavily derived from the mountain people and less from the coastal people — and this is a best-guess based on ancestor birthplaces, many in the interior Apennine range –then his ancestral-stock likely draws more from older populations than from those arriving after the Neolithic.

Mountain people have a way of hanging on. The Neolithic “G2a” y-line is especially strong in mountainous areas of parts of Europe and the Caucuses, but much less common in the open flatlands of Europe. The hypothesis is that the various Bronze Age and later conquerors who came through in later millennia didn’t bother very often to push into the mountains and preferred the fruited plains and forests; who wouldn’t?

It this hypothesis is true, it is no surprise that DeSantis does not look like a stereotypical Mediterranean but seems to have more Cro-Magnid, Alpine, or Dinaric influence than any Mediterranean proper. Within physical-anthropology he would certainly not be classified of Mediterranean type. Mountain ancestry probably explains this, as well as the accidents of phenotype-expression versus genotype; Ron DeSantis’ sister looks considerably more Mediterranean:

And now we return to the paper-genealogy trail.

Mother’s side

Ron DeSantis Jr.’s mother was born Karen A. Rogers in 1948. Despite the name, Karen Rogers is mainly of Italian ancestry, much like her husband Ron Sr.

The surname “Rogers” was originally “Ruggiero.” An ancestor who arrived in America at age seventeen took to calling himself “Tony Rogers.” His birth name was Antonio Ruggiero and he came from Caserta, Campania province, southern Italy — the province on whose western coast sits Naples, one of the places in Italy most associated with “corruption , disorganization, and organized crime” — one wonders whether the interior-dwelling people such as this man born Antonio Ruggiero who renamed himself Tony Rogers also felt in this negative way about the western metropolis of his home province. Although in a different province, this is not so far off from the DeSantis-surnamed ancestor’s home-region in southern Abruzzo province.

The other male immigrant ancestor here was Robert Kresienzo Delisio, born in Abruzzo, the same province as the DeSantis line.

In any general north-south division of Italy, both Campania and Abruzzo are in “south,” but in a north-central-south division of Italy, Abruzzo may be deemed “central” (Italian Wikipedia puts Abruzzo as part of Central Italy under a “socio-cultural definition”). Governor Ron DeSantis has at least some Abruzzo ancestry on both sides. More importantly than the region level may again be the fact that the places of origin are in the interior, generally in the uplands and nowhere near the coast. This also applies to most of the maternal-side ancestors.

Here are Governor Ron DeSantis’ four maternal great-grandparents (Karen Rogers’ four grandparents), all of which are associated with the Greater Youngstown, Ohio, area. Numbers again refer to Ron DeSantis Jr.’s eight great-grandparents — here from mother’s father’s father, (5) to mother’s mother’s mother, (8):

  • (5) Antonio Ruggiero (a.k.a. Tony Rogers): born 1894 in San Bartolomeo in Galdo, Benevento province, Campania region, southern Italy. Immigrated in 1912 to Youngstown area (living in Lowellville, Ohio, as of 1940); for a time in the 1910s worked as a “quarryman” (1917 draft registration) and later (1919-60) worked as “pipe fitter” for a power plant (1940 Census; obituary); died in 1965 in Youngstown.
  • (6) Rosina “Rose” Storti: born in 1898 in Castlefranci, Avellino province, Campania region, southern Italy. Immigrated in 1916 to Ohio; married Tony Rogers in 1917; died in 1960 in Youngstown.
  • (7) Robert Kresienzo Delisio: born 1896 in Pacentro, L’Aquila province, Abruzzo region, Italy. Immigrated in 1900 to Youngstown area, Ohio; long of Lowellville, Ohio; worked with the railroads, 1915-1963; as of 1940, he was a “field clerk” for a railroad superintendent (1940 Census) and later was a full superintendent; he was a highly active Republican and secretary of the county committee for much of the 1950s-70s; died in Youngstown in 1979.
  • (8) Anna Antoinette DeOto: born in 1898 in Campobasso region, Italy (historically part of Abruzzo). Immigrated in 1909 to the Youngstown area at about age at ten; married Robert Delisio in Oct. 1919 in Youngstown; died in 1989 in Youngstown.
  • 1910/11 is the median year of arrival for these four people, Ron DeSantis Jr.’s maternal great-grandparents (mean year: 1909; range: 1900-1916).

Just as with the paternal-side ancestors, the Italian hometowns are in the mountainous interior and not on the coast.

In the USA, the central ancestral locations for several of these ancestors is Lowellville, Ohio, which was once a thriving place with stable, well-paid blue-collar work but which by the late 20th century was a quintessentially “Rust Belt” town. It has been in clear multigenerational decline for some time.

Here is Lowellville’s relative location between Youngstown, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh (small Lowellville is actually very close to downtown Youngstown, about eight miles east):

A street scene in Lowellville near its height in the 1950s, resembling tens of thousands of such “main streets” (this is a riverside secondary “main street”; the town peaked at circa 2,600 in midcentury; today it is down to the 1,100 range):

There are three functioning churches in Lowellville today, a Catholic, a Methodist, and another small independent Protestant church whose centenarian pastor recently died (Aug. 2021) (things don’t change much in Lowellville).

The population is now down below 1100, of whom exactly one was Black per the 2000 Census; by the 2010 Census, it had risen to a grand total of three Blacks residing in town, amid 1100-some or so Whites.

In time, the Rogers family came more into the orbit of Youngstown proper. Karen Rogers and Ron DeSantis Sr. were married in Youngstown, Ohio, in October 1970. This is long local-regional continuity given that both families consolidated nearby from central-south Italy several generations earlier, in the 1900s-1910s period.

Karen Rogers’ own life, before her early-1970s-era move to Florida with Ron Sr., was entirely associated with Youngstown but I find little trace of her actions. But she and Ron Sr. left in their twenties and settled down into the new, exciting world of west-central Florida.

There are still plenty of traces of DeSantises hanging around the Youngstown area. One is “DeSantis Vending,” a vending-machine supply company. Across the state line in northwestern Pennsylvania there is “DeSantis Janitorial Supply Company.” An Edward DeSantis (born ca.1989) ran for the Democratic nomination in the westernmost Congressional district in early 2020 but lost to Kristy Gnibus (born ca.1984), who lost easily to the ten-term Republican Congressman Mike Kelly.

That wraps up the family-and-ancestral picture of the Ron DeSantis family covering a span of about a century-and-a-half, briefly touching on the genetic-history of Europe/Italy but mainly on what the ancestors were up to in the formative years of their time in America, all the way up to the fateful early-1970s move south to sunny Florida by a young Ron DeSantis Sr. and his bride (where Ron Jr., future governor, was born a few years later).

Now to briefly touch on the political and cultural context of what DeSantis’ central/southern Italian, late-Ellis-Island-era, western-Pennsylvania-and-industrial-Ohio ancestry.

The Ron DeSantis ancestral portrait and “assimilation”

A century ago, it was assumed that Southern Italians were possibly a political lock for the Left. Especially those recent arrivals — and the eight people profiled here had a median arrival year of 1914, the symbolic final year of the true Ellis Island period (which immigration crashing with World War I and then subject to tight restrictions starting in 1921).

Many among the young Italians (and other Ellis Island nationalities) in America seemed angry-anarchistic types, some variety of Hard Left. Or maybe too clannish to go in for traditional Anglo-Saxon political and social arrangements. In other words, they would not quite fit in and be a long source of friction. (See: Hajnal Line Theory; in most drawings of the line, Abruzzo province sneaks in just barely on the core-European side.) And after all, it was “Sacco and Vanzetti,” not “Stanford and Vandenburg.”

There were plenty of reasons a century ago why an informed observer would have been skeptical of the Southern Italian population-jolt into parts of the USA that began in the 1880s and peaked in the 1900s, still going strong up to 1914. Immigration-restrictions of the day were alarmed.

Old-stock Americans like Richard Nixon, for one. Nixon was famously Quaker. While only partially of Quaker ancestry he was of entirely colonial-American ancestry (the profile of Richard Nixon’s ancestry here at Hail To You is among the most consistently popular posts). Nixon’s father’s generation would have been among those most liable to worry about the Italians and others.

Flash forward to our time, especially to the year-of-destiny 2020. The descendant of the Ellis Island Italians, Ron DeSantis, stands as the defender of traditional values and against the mandates and the hocus-pocus of the Corona phenomenon.

On the other hand, we have Doctor Fauci.

Known by some as Ayatollah Fauci, the US government’s top, unfireable, bureaucrat-for-life is 3/4ths descended from Southern Italians via Naples and Sicily and 1/4th Swiss. That Swiss ancestor spent much of his life in Naples, that mafia-prone metropolis on the coast of the province in which DeSantis also had some ancestors. But DeSantises’ ancestors hre were interior hill-dwellers, including the man who renamed himself Tony Rogers in the 1910s-20s (see Mother’s side).

So we have an interesting contrast. Doctor Fauci’s immediate ancestors were same-province paisanos of some of DeSantises. Ironic! This dramatic contrast ought to say something, but I’m not sure what. It deserves more thought.

DeSantis is against onerous, Oriental-despotism-style mandates and the bizarre erection of a virus-centric mystery-religion.

As I’ve pondered the “Corona Cult” since spring 2020, I’ve sometimes been reminded of anti-Catholic positions of yore, also thematically relevant here because all the DeSantis ancestry appears to be the usual sort of Italian-Catholic (unlike former Congressman Tom Tancredo, whose ancestors got away from Italians and became Presbyterian in Colorado). Protestants looked down on their ‘Roman’ brethren for, so the line went, believing in magical incantations, incense, and all the bells-and-whistles, and for being dupes who (supposedly) never bother reading the source material for themselves. The anti-Catholic line amounted to calling Rome’s version of Christianity a kind of smoke-and-mirrors affair, its adherents misguided, and the religion tempting but disempowering to the individual.

In many ways this old characterization of Catholicism reminds me very much of the Corona Religion, as we have seen it develop. That version of a religion (the 19th-century and early-20th-century anti-Catholics’ caricatured version of the Roman Church and its beliefs, practices, and effects on people) never could have triumphed in the old America. But the Corona-Religion did triumph. Considerable resistance aside, it won millions of converts and essentially took power and achieved all its main aims.

One of the few main line of resistance we find in Ron DeSantis, an inheritor of the tradition supposedly that pushes such magical beliefs. The question of “assimilation” presents itself. I’ve looked closely enough at these immigrant ancestors to spot some probable signs of assimilation among Ron DeSantis’ ancestors in the 1910s-20s-30s era, though mainly on his mother’s side.

Looking at the first-generation (the Italian-born):

There is Karen Rogers’ paternal grandfather and his choice to call himself “Tony Rogers” (nee Antonio Ruggiero). He had arrived in 1912, at age eighteen; already on the June 1917 draft registration, he gave his name as “Rogers,” but someone crossed it out and wrote “Ruggiero.” (One imagines the Ohio draft board man asking the foreign-seeming man in front of the board if “Rogers” was really his name, No? It’s not your legal name, you say? Please write your legal name.)

Tony Rogers, circa 1930s?, hanging around Lowellville, Ohio:

Tony Rogers gave his children the following (non-Italian) names: John, Mary, James, Anne, Philip, Ernest, and Samuel. Philip Rogers is Karen Rogers’ father (and the Florida governor’s grandfather). The youngest son (who died in 2021 at age 85) had the name Samuel F. Rogers, the exact same name as the U.S. military’s first medal-of-honor recipient for deeds performed in Korea, a sailor during a brief combat incident in 1871. But that 19th-century Samuel F. Rogers was of (likely) colonial-Protestant extraction, whereas this one is of entirely Italian ancestry of southern tendencies.

Then there is Karen Rogers’ other grandfather, Robet Delisio. One interesting thing here is Delisio’s birthplace is a mountain village in the interior of L’Aquila province, Abruzzo region, just a few miles on foot along a mountain pass to the birthplace of the DeSantis ancestor, Nicola DeSantis. Their descendant-lines only met in the 1970s via the union of the future Florida governor’s parents. But the two emigrants (Robert Delisio and Nicola DeSantis

He stands alone among the men of this generation in the Ron DeSantis (Jr.) genealogical tree for not living among other Italians during his adult life. Although the town in which he lived — Lowellville, Ohio — in 1940 had plenty of Italians in it, most his nearest neighbors were US-born White-Protestants (1940 Census) and not one his immediate neighbors were Italians.

Delisio was the earliest-arriving ancestor of Governor Ron DeSantis, but arrived only in 1900. Still, in the grand old tradition of “in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king”; Delisio may have been particularly proud of having been the most-American among these Italians he was associated with, having arrived at about age 4.

The Delisios’ nearest fifteen neighbor families in 1940 (per the Census) were surnamed as follows: Williams, Zuercher, Burns, Masters, Williams, Badal, Erskine, Shaffer, Price, Sonnenlitler, McIntosh, and Cunningham. The other families profiled here (DeSantis, Petrella, and Ruggiero/Rogers) all lived among other Italians at this time.

Robert K. Delisio was evidently a lifelong Republican, and a highly active one at that, serving on the Mahoning County [Ohio] Republican Committee as secretary for twenty-eight years. So loyal was he to the Republicans that his obituary starts with these words: “Services for Robert K. Delisio, 83, a member of the Mahoning County Republican organization for most of his life, will be…” (obituary in Cleveland Plain Dealer, Jan. 1, 1980). Ron DeSantis Jr., governor of Florida, may have inherited a little more than just a 1/8th-or-so share of genetics from this maternal-side great-grandfather…

To turn briefly to the politics of our time:

Karen Rogers’ native Youngstown is the county seat of Mahoning County, Ohio. This is one of the traditionally-strong-‘Blue’ counties which Trump flipped. Such counties appear all across Middle America.

Mahoning County had voted Democrat for generations running, often by big margins (two-to-one, sometimes more), in almost every election between 1936 and 2012. Trump tipped it Republican in 2020, after finishing near even in 2016. The county had gone ‘D’ by around thirty points for most of the past thirty years before Trump’s two campaigns. (This large-Democratic-majority county is the same one in which great-grandfather Robert Delisio was on the Republican County Committee for nearly thirty years in the mid-20th century.)

These are the kinds of people to whom Governor Ron DeSantis has family and community ties. Whites out there somewhere in Middle America who had voted ‘D’ their whole lives but tended to defect to Trump in 2016 and 2020.

There is sometimes perceived to be a tendency of Ellis Island-stock people, particularly those of one particular religion, to be resentful of White-Protestant America. The old “ethnic” tendency is to bloc-vote Democrat, in no small part because the Republicans were (supposedly) the party of the native White-Protestant elite. This does not appear to be true on some of Ron DeSantis (Jr.)’s ancestral branches. if it was ever true for his own father and mother, they defected soon enough, for Ron Jr. was raised with a basically conservative outlook with Republican sympathies which Ron Jr. absorbed from a young age (on which, more in a later section, especially on the Clarence Thomas hearings of 1991 and its formative impact on the thirteen-year-old DeSantis).

What happened with the Ron DeSantis family is a case study in multigenerational assimilation to a mainline US “Middle America” norm, with signs of such from early on (the immigrant, first-arriving generation) in some cases. It was a cake baked over enough generations that Ron DeSantis Jr. — the current governor of Florida and possible future U.S. president — feels confident enough in it, feels it enough his own, to make it unpretentious and unforced, or disingenuous-feeling, which is not true of some of our recent-foreign-origin pundits.

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Ron DeSantis (Jr.)’s childhood, 1980s-90s

In summary, we’ve seen that Ron DeSantis is Florida-born and Florida-raised, to parents of Italian ancestry and Youngstown-area and Pittsburgh-area, blue-collar personal origins. We’ve seen hints at least that DeSantis clearly embraces a general Middle America attitude despite his elite connections.

Even today he feels distant from the metropolitan-elite and its attitudes, which is a key to his political attitude. Oftentimes it is shallowly rooted, sharp (mid-high- and high-IQ-range), ambitious, and reasonably conformist people who most readily fall into the status trap. Plenty of residents of Florida fit the bill there, for Florida is a state with lots of shallowly rooted people. This didn’t quite happen with DeSantis even after he passed through the meat-grinder of the Ivy League.

DeSantis was raised a Christian, a boy scout, and a sports player — especially fond of baseball, where he was a strong hitter and often used as the designated hitter to replace weak-batting pitchers.

Here is a late-1980s example of future-governor Ron DeSantis active with the Boy Scouts, even at that age competitive and enterprising. They raced self-made vehicles. The event was a “Boy Scout Mobile Derby” at Clearwater Mall, Florida, with dozens of entrants from a number of regional cub scout troops:

(St. Petersburg Times [Florida], May 2, 1988, “Speedy Scouts.”)

So it went on into early adolescence. The 1990s began and soon came a decisive moment in DeSantis’ life. It was the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings to the US Supreme Court, September and October 1991. DeSantis was starting seventh grade and watched with the spectacle wit precocious enthusiasm.

DeSantis has described witnessing what he called a “ridiculously unfair treatment” they gave to Thomas, (which was similar but less-crazed, less-hyperemotional, less-surreal than the 2018 attempt to derail the Kavanaugh confirmation, at the time DeSantis’ first campaign for governor was reaching its own peak).

As a career lawyer he admires Thomas, who “sets the standard” for jurisprudence at the SCOTUS level. (These comments and others in the following section are from the Tucker Carlson Today interview with Ron DeSantis, April 19, 2021.)

Soon DeSantis entered high school (Sept. 1993), approximately coinciding with Clinton’s first term as president. Clinton was reelected over Dole when DeSantis was a high school senior. He was a baseball star on the school team, but he was also doing well academically and the future looked bright.



Young-adulthood encounter with the US academic-cultural elite, (Yale), late 1990s

DeSantis did extremely well in high school and got accepted to Yale in 1997.

(Tampa Bay Times, June 1, 1997; Ron DeSantis among four local students awarded scholarship)

Until age 18, DeSantis says he had “never heard anyone criticize God” in person. I would interpret this to mean that he had heard such comments, here and there, but they were something so distant from his lived experience as to not exist as something real, rather as some kind of dark underworld which one could live a full life never once intersecting with.

Then he showed up at Yale. Plenty of people there “criticized God.” That despite Yale’s own explicit New England Protestant origins. Yale, and most institutions like it, at some point became fairly clearly post-Christian. Not just with some post-Christians around, but party-line post-Christian. People in our time (2010s/20s) realize this a lot more than people did in the 1990s. It (post-Christianization, post-Westernization in some intellectual sense at least) was already true back then but much less understood or felt or appreciated.

And so the long encounter with Yale became a great culture shock to eighteen-year-old DeSantis.

Reminiscing in 2021, DeSantis said this of his early encounter with Yale (starting in Aug. 1997, his first semester):

“When I first went to Yale — I grew up in Florida, I was a blue-collar kid — I showed up my first day in jean-shorts and a t-shirt, because that’s what we wore on the west coast of Florida. It was a major culture shock. That was not something that was received very warmly, and I never quite fit in there…And I really rebelled against the Leftist orthodoxy that I saw on that campus.”

(from ‘Tucker Carlson Today‘ interview, April 19, 2021)

The long encounter with the New Elite, which is hard to properly describe but includes aspects of being “post-Christian,” “post-American,” “post-White,” and more, a moveable feast of grievance, a set of cultural-political doctrines. We would now call all this generally “Deep Blue” (in the Red-Blue political color scheme someone made up arbitrarily) and in the 2010s a long set of descriptors came to be, terms like “social justice warrior” and lately “woke.” It all shocked and offended the young Floridian enough to set him on the path he went on. The path to becoming Florida’s governor. The path to fighting Hard Left racial-politics-pushers. To fight the Flu-Lockdown-pushers. And both at once if necessary. Against the full weight of the institutions.

An aside: When Ron DeSantis entered Yale, the elite university was already down to around 35% White-Christian, having started the 1990s around 50% White-Christian and being about in the 50-60% range in the 1980s. The trend was rolling on, such that by the late 2000s, not so many years after Ron DeSantis graduated, Yale was at the cusp of tipping below 25% White-Christian for the first time (according to research compiled by Ron Unz in 2012 (“The Myth of the American Meritocracy“). By the late 2010s, White-Christians were as low as 20% at Yale (according to Ron Unz’ College Demographics Tracker), and likely to be consistently below the 20% in the 2020s; a radical change in a generation-plus, for

To recap:

  • Early 1980s: Yale at 60-65% White-Christian;
  • Early 1990s: Yale down to 50% White-Christian;
  • Late 1990s: Yale approaches or breaches 35% White-Christian threshold (DeSantis’ time at Yale)
  • Late 2000s: Yale approaches or breaches 25% White-Christian threshold
  • 2020: Yale down to as low as 20% White-Christian

To the extent the New Elite was founded in large part on networks of people whose connections derive from Yale and other elite universities, the New Elite was naturally suspicious of White-Christendom as such and to some extent even strongly identified White-Christians as people. This trend is what DeSantis picked up on in the late 1990s.

(Similar encounters by men, especially of the b.1970s, b.1980s, and b.1990s generations led to a range of responses, often something like cognitive dissonance, anger, depression, and seeing the society as fundamentally now for them, the now well-studied “male drop-out phenomenon.” The alternative coping strategy is internalization of feelings of moral inferiority and weaponizing oneself on behalf of it. Neither of these strategies is healthy; maintaining a steady rudder in such storms can be difficult, and we can hardly blame most for failing to do as well as Ron DeSantis did.)

DeSantis was on the elite track after his Yale years (1997-2001) and then Harvard Law (2003-2005), taking a JD at the latter. Those with an especially close eye may notice a gap year in that academic CV: Immediately after graduating from Yale in May 2001, DeSantis took a job as a history teacher at a prep school in Georgia, which he has said was because he wanted to be on the school’s baseball coaching staff. This after playing baseball his whole life, including on Yale’s team. He was not ready to fully hang up the glove just yet, and in 2002 and 2003 was considering trying to get an office position in major-league baseball, which by 2004 he had given up on, instead entering brief naval reserve service and, one the unnecessary wars being on at the time, he ended up going to Iraq.

DeSantis taught (and coached) at the elite private school in Georgia during the 2001-02 school year after which he left for Harvard Law.

Reentering the Ivy League meant reentering the elite, or the elite-track, but DeSantis was still in an entirely non-political world. He did various things between 2002 and 2011 — including, for a time, being on a military legal staff in Iraq, 2007-08 — but all his 2000s-era activities majorly recede in importance to our story here, as the key moments in his life are his initial contact with the US agenda-setting academic elite world in the late 1990s, which was so profoundly shocking him, and his entry into politics circa fifteen years later as an elite-credentialed major, in-system dissident.

DeSantis was unlikely surprised at all when Yale and Harvard alumni both went out of there way to condemn him for his anti-lockdown policy, such as this Aug. 2021 hit-piece by Daniel Alter (Columbia, BA, ’88; Yale Law, ’91):


DeSantis, 2011-2017: the quiet years

Prior to entering semi-national-stage US politics in 2018, DeSantis had previously won three terms to the US House (2012, 2014, 2016) representing an area around Daytona Beach, northeast of Orlando.

The district boundary went inland up to the Sanford city border. That city was briefly famous in 2012-13 after a local Black youth named Trayvon got in a nighttime physical confrontation with an overweight neighborhood-watch guy known as George Zimmerman on the lookout for burglars. During the scuffle Trayvon bloodied the pudgy neighborhood-watch volunteer but ended up shot dead. For some reason this became national headlines and gave birth to a series of elite-media-driven stories in the mid-2010s, which became an elongated moral-panic. It had largely faded by 2018 and 2019. Then in mid-2020, after 2.5 months of Corona-Panic lockdowns, it returned with major riots, looting, and all the rest.

In any case, DeSantis was running for Congress in the adjacent district during the George Zimmerman controversy. He snuck a victory in the seven-way Republican primary in mid-2012, then by early 2013 was in Washington as a Congressman, including during the Zimmerman trial (verdict: not guilty; had he been tried in mid-2020 or later, he would have been found guilty for sure).

For what it’s worth, he earned an “A” immigration-policy score from NumbersUSA during his 2013-2018 time in Congress, indicating he is a clear immigration-restrictionist. His only poor grade was for failing to move to “reduce unnecessary work visas,” but on everything else he got an “A.”

What had inspired DeSantis to run? Evidence suggests it was the “Tea Party” phenomenon of 2010 which decisively pushed DeSantis, then in his early thirties, towards politics.

In 2011, DeSantis published a book, Dreams from Our Founding Fathers: First Principles in the Age of Obama. The title of DeSantis’ book was a not-too-subtle swipe at Obama’s quasi-racialist memoir, Dreams of My Father, and in its choice of “founding fathers” against “framers” (by the 2000s the more-standard term in academia) was another taunt at the system.

The book Dreams from Our Founding Fathers was published by “High-Pitched Hum Publishing,” a minor press operating in Jacksonville, Florida. The book’s politics appears to be in the Tea Party vein and also coincided with DeSantis’ own first run for Congress in 2012, the year the Republican vice presidential nomination went to a one-time Tea Party star named Paul Ryan (later to emerge as a bitter Never-Trumper and retiring in shame in 2018).

DeSantis played in the Congressional baseball game in summer 2017:

But the vague image of DeSantis as “dumb-jock Republican” loosely on the George W. Bush model — an image which emerged in 2018 and held in 2019 — was wrong. Admittedly, some of the details are similar: George W. Bush had been a Yale, too, 1964-68 (graduating ten years before DeSantis was born) as well as Harvard (Business School, in GWB’s case), and both had interest in sports, but aside from that they have little in common.

(Some observers believe the Bush family wants more than anything to cling to a position in a perceived American elite, some kind of anachronistic Protestant Elite, and as such will simply go along with “whatever” the current agenda-setting elite says or does and never protest, even talking themselves into believing whatever it is. If this is an accurate picture of the Bushes, it is not of Ron DeSantis. Florida’s anti-Corona-Lockdown stalwart has no pretensions to the quasi-aristocratic elite status of the kind the Bushes allegedly do.)

DeSantis reminiscing again about his fateful first real encounter with the Elite Consensus of our time:

I remember sitting in class [at Yale]. Everything was about how bad America was in some of these classes. I had never heard anybody criticize America.

I’d never heard anyone criticize God! Or Christianity. Yale’s motto is ‘For God, For Country, For Yale.’ They hated God, they hated the country …

I realized early on: this was not quite where I fit in.”

(from ‘Tucker Carlson Today‘ interview, April 19, 2021)

To get another insight into Ron DeSantis’ basic world-view, we can turn to Ron DeSantis’ (“blue-collar”) father, who is clearly more like a typical Trump base-voter than a Yale elite of our time. Florida’s own state-wide opinion-shaping elite tried briefly, during the 2018 campaign, to smash Ron Sr. down for his badthink. In 2017, Ron Sr., then in his early seventies, had written several comments like this to social media:

“Affirmative action should be applied to the NFL and NBA. The leagues should be made up of 13% Blacks and the rest White. Can anyone argue with this based on past affirmative actions?”

(from social media post by Ron DeSantis Sr. [father of the governor], 2017)

If Ron DeSantis Jr. ever runs for president, expect a social-media lynching and “tattle-tale journalism” of this kind on national scale. A tiring and decadent form of the craft, but alas a tempting and easy one. The attempted takedown was titled: “DeSantis’s Father Spread Racist, Misogynistic Rhetoric on Social Media,” publication date, September 2018.

(Meanwhile, Ron DeSantis’ opponent was later found involved with a gay escort who overdosed on meth in a Miami hotel room, but this kind of proclivity inspired far less hit-pieces during or after the campaign.)

Ron DeSantis says the shock of the late-1990s at Yale seems quaint to him in retrospect. He says that in the late-1990s and 2000s, he believed that some of the extreme ideas at universities, “that once you get into the real world, none of that’s going to fly.” He goes on:

“I think that was probably true even a decade ago. Now, all that nonsense from the universities [from the 1990s], it’s running key institutions! Corporations, media, all these other things.

I look back on [my 2000s-era beliefs] as quaint. A lot of the threats that we face are much, much more significant…than they were ten of fifteen years ago.”

(from ‘Tucker Carlson Today‘ interview, April 19, 2021)

He has lately lightly made fun of his own book, and his own Tea Party-era thinking in 2010-11, saying “Obama…was a piker compared to what this Woke Left is doing now.” The political criticisms he made when conceiving and writing the book in 2010-11 seem hopelessly obsolete now. And in 2010-11 he could not have guessed that there would be flu-virus lockdowns and etc.


Why did he turn against the Corona-Panic so strongly?

The Ron DeSantis backstory — his Ellis Island-era Italian ancestry, the several generations of his family who lived in the industrial Midwest, his parents’ midcentury childhoods and young-adulthoods, his parents’ move to Florida in the early 1970s, his own 1980s-90s upbringing, and his at-first-disorienting encounter with the late-20th-century New US Elite world via Yale in the late 1990s — all leads up to his entry onto the national and international stage with the 2020 Coronavirus Panic and the lockdowns and the masks and the forced injections and the attempts to institute limits on travel and activity via internal “health passports” over a flu virus, and all the rest of it.

Ron DeSantis has already earned his place in history, even if he is struck dead by lightning tomorrow and never becomes president, as some have been talking about since mid- or late-2020, for he was the most forceful large-state governor to take a hard line against the Pro-Panic forces and their endless desire for lockdowns and all the rest.

DeSantis’ approach to the Corona-Panic may have been roughly as follows: the New Elite which he had known since age 18 at Yale, which already years ago had been absorbed in various delusions and status-signal markers, were often the same people who ended up on the side making mega-errors in “dealing with” Wuhan-Corona in 2020. In part they were stuck in a groupthink bubbles, in part other things were going on, but this called for someone free.

All reports from insiders suggest Ron DeSantis was furiously researching all the relevant medical aspects of Wuhan-Corona in 2020 and was conversant with the most-informed, could talk about the wacko “Imperial College Model” (millions of deaths without hard-lockdowns!) released like a toxic gas onto the discourse by a Pro-Panic fanatic named Niall Ferguson.

He knew at least the underpinnings of the major story that was No-Lockdown Sweden, and took the right lessons from it:

Ron DeSantis said this on “Lockdownism,” its would-be enforcers and its fanatics (which I came to call the Pro-Panic side):

“It’s a totalitarian impulse. …Go back [to] communism and some of these things. There’s a philosophy, an ideology about that, but then there’s just an impulse to dominate other people…

Look at what someone like me, what I’m trying to do. I want you to live your life. I have no interest in ‘locking you down.’…I want you to be able to do stuff.

On the flip side of that, there are other people who just feel very differently about it. Just think about…if you’re walking down the street…and you don’t have a mask on, and someone’s on the other side of the street with a mask, and they storm over to you, and yell at you, for not having a mask on! I’m just thinking to myself, ‘if you’re worried about them, wouldn’t you just want to stay away from them, and mind your own business?’ But the impulse is ‘You need to be obeying!’…”

(from ‘Tucker Carlson Today’ interview, April 19, 2021)

We are all in part the products of our family/ancestry/genetic inheritances, and in part the products of our unique circumstances and times, and really always the intertwining of the two and the dice-rolls of fortune. The case of Ron DeSantis demonstrates this well.

In thousands of words here I mentioned his sibling, a sister, only once in passing. His one sister died in 2015 in England unexpectedly:

(Obituary for Christian DeSantis, Tampa Bay Times, June 7, 2015.)

That his sister died at age thirty could be another reason why he opposed time-wasting lockdowns. He came to see the Pro-Panic was dug in for the long haul, but also that “all life-years matter.” The unexpected death of his sister in her prime is a reminder that we can die any time, that it is best to spend well what time one does have, not waste it cowering in fear and refusing to meet life eye-to-eye. Extreme Safetyism rolls over into its opposite, becoming anti-human, anti-life. This is a philosophical discussion, but the living memory of his sister is a kind of memento mori of the principle.

The decisive turns in Ron DeSantis’ own life seems to be his years at Yale in the late 1990s. Twenty-plus years later he emerged as one of the leading Republican political figures in America. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then, and the new political split of Corona Pro-Panic vs. Anti-Panic in 2020 and 2021 caught many off guard and unawares, but he soon came out swinging against the Panic on a firm-data basis, the same conclusion as many of us reached at different stages in spring-to-summer 2020.

The answer to why Ron DeSantis became a Corona Anti-Panic hardliner (or holding onto being a normal person pre-2020) comes from his own personal outlook, an adult life entirely distrustful of the U.S. New Elite, a well-honed instinct to treat the elites’ pronouncements with a healthy skepticism.


DeSantis for President” and concluding thoughts

Ron DeSantis has a good chance of becoming president, and efforts to fight the Corona-Panic positioned himself for such a bid.

He would be the first president with a mean year-of-entry into the United States in the 20th century (we have to use “mean” and not “median” because Barack H. Obama is in the dataset, and fully half of his ancestry entered the USA, for a short while, in 1959 or so).

A President Ron DeSantis would be the only president with not a single ancestor arriving before year 1900. He would also be the first “Italian” president. And yet nothing about his politics fit certain political stereotypes about Italians, or the fears many had a century ago on what the heavy absorption of Italians into the US body-politic would mean.

The old idea, current among older-stock White-Protestants in the USA and Canada about the Ellis-Island-era Southern Italians being too hard to assimilate deserves a brief reconsideration, a century or a bit more past the peak of such thinking.

I am still struck by the contrast between two of the titans and figureheads the Corona-Panic controversy of 2020-2022 in the USA: Fauci and DeSantis (see remarks on Fauci in “Ron DeSantis and Assimilation” section). Between the two of them, they have about 95% Italian ancestry, maybe more, and most if not almost all of it is from points south of Rome.

In Fauci’s case, the outlines of the old wariness of Italians do seem roughly true, in outline and applied to a different time and circumstances. But they seem completely false when DeSantis is brought in.

So what is this? Is Fauci a case of “failed assimilation,” versus DeSantis as “successful assimilation”? Or is it maybe that Fauci is one generation older than DeSantis? If this is a proper tree to bark up, dare we ask what caused Fauci to fail to “assimilate” whereas the DeSantises did it so well?

Or was there some difference on the origin-side? DeSantis’ Italian ancestry is mainly from the mountains of the interior; Fauci’s Sicilian and Naples ancestry may be of a different type. In other words, the ancestral proclivities may have already been there before either man was born.


Long-form investigations of someone’s family and ancestral origins like this may risk “ancestry-determinism.” Surely Ron DeSantis himself is largely master of his own fate? Could make his own decisions? And so on. Not some kind of puppet of his own ancestry. And I was careful to organize this essay to include much of what Ron DeSantis himself did with his life.

The central question is:

How did this relatively little known man, Ron DeSantis, end up becoming a champion of freedom, standing successfully against the onslaught of endless-lockdown-mania, forcing masks and more on people, against a brutal elite-consensus on behalf of the multifaceted social-phenomenon that was/is the Corona-Panic?”

I believe I’ve found ways to probe at this question from multiple angles. DeSantis has no elite origins but made an elite life for himself, by luck and skill and talent and hard work.

The decisive encounter of his life was arriving at Yale in 1997, and his four years there were a long-running culture-shock. He came to understand that the system was against people like him. The salient point was that he was a White-Christian. The system then emerging at such elite institutions as Yale saw him as a domestic hurdle to overcome, and saw him as a White-Christian, not as an Italian. He was sharp enough to pick up on this relatively early. Far more people understand it today. He stayed grounded enough to not get swept away by it very much. But we are still left with the intriguing puzzle of “why” the pressure of the Yale world and fitting in with the New Elite did not break him? There is no immediate answer here, but I believe family and ancestry research gives good hints.


Stepping back from the analysis, I foresee one type response to all this to sound a lot like this:

“Who cares about who his great-grandparents were? It’s all so much navel-gazing.”

I think that attitude is misguided. I think ancestry matters. (Of course I do; I did research and write this now ten-thousand-word behemoth of a research-and-commentary piece.) Ancestry is just a way of expressing people’s understandings of who they are. Most often — directly or indirectly, consciously or no — self-perception and identity is shaped via ancestry, actual or perceived. That matters a lot.

We are not a random collection of identityless, replaceable drones, as some element of professional culture would cast us as. Going the other direction, we may be said to be all acting out some set of inputs inherited from ancestral tendencies — to some extent at least.

DeSantis himself seems to consciously embrace the White-Protestant-American tradition (e.g., his book title including the phrase “our founding fathers,” not “the founding fathers”). In fact, Ron DeSantis sounds more like an old-line defender of traditional liberties than many descendants of the old torchbearers. He seems a man by instinct, and rhetoric, and action, against leviathan-like, cruel, authoritarian-style impositions. He shows up quite many of the descendants of the longtime torch-bearers of the traditional liberties kindlers of the flame, namely the NW-Europeans, White-Protestants, and especially White-Protestant America.

Ron DeSantis’ potential winning bid for the presidency in 2024, or beyond, if successful, will come from his preaching the traditional White-Protestant cultural-political line (laissez faire; no state-backed virus-religions, no endless and onerous mandates characteristic of traditional Mideast and Asian despotisms; no running a surreal Panic regime; no bizarre attempt to build a top-down anti-white racial caste system). I again wonder what this says about White-Protestants.

To be direct about it, the USA was, from the start and for the first circa 350 years, a White-Protestant project. It kind of still remains one today, even at this late date, but the train is rather off the tracks. We are still in the USA in considerable numbers. White-Protestants founded all the underlying institutions, even if many have gone astray by now. A good portion of White-Catholics are effectively Protestants whose churches have Mary statues but who are personally and politically now otherwise hard to distinguish from Protestants. (I suspect this may apply to the DeSantis family.)

It’s true White-Protestants have the occasional leader who stands out. Besides Florida the best and most-high-profile success story was when the Lutheran governor of South Dakota, Noem, dismantled the Corona-Panic in her state. But we do not have enough bold leaders willing to challenge the status quo or stand against the system in an unwavering way. What is this unwillingness to fight a system which is (now) hostile to them? It’s as if we exist under an occupation regime. Whatever it is, Ron DeSantis seems less beholden to it.

Ron DeSantis for president is the right decision. Whatever combination of good-fortune or inherited traits or attitudes made him what he is, it’s turned out well.

To paraphrase Lincoln speaking about General Grant: “We cannot spare Ron DeSantis. He fights.”



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64 Responses to “Son of Florida, grandson of industrial Ohio, great-grandson of Italy”: The ancestry of Ron DeSantis

  1. Bo says:

    My friend, thank you.

    This was a project worth doing.

  2. Wow! This is like a thesis project, Mr. Hail. I just skimmed it for a bit, as I will take the time tomorrow to enjoy the whole thing. I’m writing now because it’s quite a coincidence that I talked to a guy I recently worked with for a few days who is lives in Florida, and he happened to bring up about 2% of the amount of background on the guy you have here. I never had known anything about DeSantis’ background, or thought about it, but we both agreed that this guy is real force for freedom right now.

    Go Florida! Go DeSantis! Let’s go, Brandon!

    BTW, my co-worker noted that Governor DeSantis wife is sick with breast cancer right now, and they have 3 kids, which may mean it’s not a good time for him to run for President.

    Another BTW, I was in Panama City, Florida very recently, and once I stepped out of the airport terminal, there was not a masked man, woman, or child in sight, for 2 days, barring one exception.

    • Ooops, correction, I just realized that it was ECP airport – Ft.Walton Beach (also in the panhandle, but 60 miles west) where I landed. I confuse the 2 because I originally intended to fly in to Panama City.

      I’m reading your post now. Thank you for this big effort, Mr. Hail

    • Hail says:

      RE: RD’s wife’s cancer diagnosis

      An interesting point that it could dissuade him from running for president.

      Presidential talk is a step away yet. For now, RD is going to focus on the Florida governor reelection campaign. With his fame and prestige at its height, I can’t see him backing out of that. As I write this, they are 13 months out from voting day.

      On RD’s wife, I also for some reason did no research on her background or ancestry. This project ended up entirely too long as it is! But would be an interesting project for further work.

  3. Alright, I just finished – no, people, not since 0505 server time! It’s about 1/2 hour reading including a few moments to reflect – I got busy since my early morning comment. Of course, I have more of the latter portion in mind right now, so I’ll hit on this nature/nurture apportionment when it comes to the mindset and actions of Ron DeSantis.

    About immigration and assimilation, let me say this: I think there has been very good evidence over the 20th century that Italians, Eastern Europeans (incl. Jews), and the Irish did not assimilate very easily. General tribalism, nepotism, foreign political views (almost all more Statist, to varying degrees per group), organized crime, etc. are much of the evidence, but I won’t go into all that history. My main point here is that immigrant groups that come in large groups and STAY in those large groups will not assimilate for a long time.*

    I could point out the Cubans in Miami, the Chinese that live in the Chinatowns, and, well, big chunks of California, along with others. Here’s what can change the assimilability: Smaller numbers, and those in a stew of the traditional American population. Americans are tolerant as all get-out, contrary to what the ctrl-left America-haters would have you believe. Just as with a Vietnamese whole family I know who, since about 5 years after arriving are very successful “yellow rednecks” (one of the family members’ own wording), it sounds like the DeSantis family, living in NE Ohio, may have been the same type. They were NOT mafiosos in NYC, and they were not just Italian restauranteurs who spent their days among only other Italians.

    Yes, the genetics matter. However, though usually a good Conservative Dad helps, some men are just independent-thinking enough to avoid getting caught up in the lies and to form solid opinions that they have the courage to stand behind. The thing is, for someone with the wrong genetics, that is just so much less likely to ever happen.

    Ron DeSantis grew up, just going by the line that Ron Sr. is being criticized about, with a Conservative Dad, and among traditional Americans. He’s also a smart guy, too smart to be fooled by the intellectuals.

    Thanks for the great post, Mr. Hail. If you can believe it, I’ve got more to say about it. Gotta go for now.


    * It’s much, much worse when they come in large numbers from much more foreign cultures for longer. It’s not just 40 years – ~1880-1921 this time. It’s been 66 years already, and it’s people from widely different races. I can’t see it taking less than 100 years, if at all, and there’s always a change to what’s “traditional America”. We’re seeing that.

    • Hail says:

      Peak Stupidity wrote:

      “it sounds like the DeSantis family, living in NE Ohio, may have been the same type. They were NOT mafiosos in NYC, and they were not just Italian restauranteurs who spent their days among only other Italians.”

      A good observation.

      In my research I found clear evidence of enthusiastic ‘assimilation’ on some branches but more among RD’s mother’s ancestor (including one who became a bigshot on the Republican County Committee for 28 years despite the local Democrat-voting supermajority, many of whom were “ethnic Democrats”).

      But it appears most of these people were around other Italians, plenty, within their own worlds. All the marriages in RD’s personal ancestry were between full-Italians (hence RD’s 100%-Italian ancestral-stock), including down to RD’s parents’ 1970 marriage.

      I know people like to mock “magic dirt” theory, but there is something to it at times. A thought-experiment: What would have become of Ron DeSantis if his ancestors had all his ancestors lived in NYC instead of (mostly) Greater Youngstown, Ohio?

      • Sorry for the late replies here, Mr. Hail. About the “magic dirt”/”tragic dirt” (I believe coined by John Derbyshire, or if not by Steve Sailer?): I agree mostly with those mockers. It’s all a matter of numbers though (another bit from Mr. Derb – pepper in the stew vs. (I’ll just say:) a gallon Fruit Bat/Pangolin soup dumped into the chili).

        If, as in the mid-20th Century, we had only a few percent of foreign born people, spread out thinly among Americans, yes, many may really assimilate. Whether most go very far depends on genetics too. However, if you had only half a million Chinese immigrants, but still, half live in the San Fran. Chinatown and the other half in the NYC Chinatowns, well, they won’t turn into Americans for a long time, if ever. Nowadays, with maybe a dozen million or more, even any university town has so many that they really don’t have to or even want to assimilate.

        To be frank, I don’t really blame them as individuals. Were I to high-tail it to Uruguay because this place was (is?) a lost cause, and end up living among hundreds of Americans, I would probably hang with them a lot. I might not be the one to talk sports all the time, but BS’ing about American place that we miss, the politics, the music, railing on some of the unseen-before stupidity of the new place, and then “hey, man, let’s have a REAL cookout with burgers and fries over charcoal”, “You can’t get a decent red velvet cake in this whole country”, whatever it is (just making up these examples) would be the natural thing.

        Back to small numbers again, maybe 1 of 5 Haitian immigrants even, when growing up around real Americans may be as productive a citizen as real Americans. However, any large number of Haitian immigrants in one place turns said place into Little Haiti, somewhere I’d Hait to be.

        Those people aren’t wrong about the genetics. However, assimilation can happen, but much more easily for only for pretty small numbers at a time. Wait, how did the Italians do it? It took half a century, with some assimilation both ways, but they weren’t as foreign as who comes now by a long shot. If you get the dregs of the world, your country may assimilate to their culture.

  4. Robert says:

    Thank you for such a well researched piece. There used to be a time when the best of the MSM would do such work, but that was then. Thanks again.

    • Hail says:

      RE: Robert

      One reason the “MSM” types might be inclined away from producing something like this:

      A (recent) ideological bias against the importance of ancestry per se as something of interest in the case of White Americans. A soft taboo at work? And maybe in general for anyone, (public-facing) extreme Blank Slatism. But exceptions can be made (e.g., I’m sure they wouldn’t mind doing one on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

  5. M says:

    Did DeSantis get a baseball scholarship to Yale?

    • Hail says:


      They say there are no direct “baseball scholarships” at Yale — nor, by longstanding agreement, any of the Ivy League colleges, which is why the Ivy League sports teams are not very good.

      I interpret this to mean no one gets “extra points” on an application for being good at a sport.

  6. Hail says:

    More on the “assimilation” discussion and the Rogers family, Gov. DeSantis’ mother’s side:

    Karen Rogers, the governor’s mother, had an uncle known as Jimmie Rogers (1920-1995).

    This name happens to be the same as that of the USA’s first major “country music star,” Jimmie Rodgers (1897-1933) (one-letter spelling difference).

    The 1920s-era musical-breakout Jimmie Rodgers had worked on the railroads in the Nineteen-Twenties and attained fame with the persona of “The Singing Brakeman.” His smooth voice and persona won him great fame.

    Here is Jimmie Rodgers singing his “T For Texas”:

    (Jimmie Rodgers was famous enough that Woody Guthrie covered many of his songs like “T is for Texas” a few years later, as have many others in the past ninety-some years.)

    This “other” Jimmie Rogers, the one whose grand-nephew is now governor of Florida, was of entirely then-very-recent Italian ancestry, with both parents born in the mountain-interior of Campania region. Yet soon after they arrived (1912, 1916), here they are naming (1920) their newborn son “Jimmie Rogers.”

    Ron DeSantis’ great-uncle was associated his whole life with the Youngstown/Lowellville, Ohio, area. In 1945 he married a Sarah Jane Coss [1921-2001], also of Lowellville, who appears to have two grandparents of US-colonial-ancestry, one b.Ireland, and one b.Pennsylvania of Scottish ancestry. No Italian connection there. Sarah Jane’s father was a boilermaker in Lowellville.

    They did not name the boy for the 1920s-/30s-era singing sensation, as the Singing Brakeman only gained fame later. But the Ohio boy was known as (called) “Jimmie Rogers” during the period when the same-named singer was at the height of his fame. “Jimmie Rogers” is the name Ron DeSantis’ grand-uncle got recorded as on the 1930 census. Perhaps he later used the name James Rogers. But at this snapshot in time, 1920s/30s, it was Jimmie Rogers.

  7. – Thank you for linking to the Peak Stupidity post about Ron DeSantis and Joe Biden. I believe I got the link to the Real Raw News article from comments on YOUR site, so some back and forth synergy is going on. I will also post about the video with the attempted anti-DeSantis video that you embedded here again. It’s amazingly stupid.

    – Of course I wish the best for Governor DeSantis’ wife Casey. Breast cancer usually IS survivable. I shouldn’t have spoke so soon about that and the ’24 election. You are right that he will likely not let that stop him from re-election, but also, if she can get it cured, it wouldn’t take till ’24 anyway.

    – That brings up his running for President to begin with. In that another PS post Peak Stupidity, Pundits, and Governors, OH MY! I wrote:

    Rather than putting our hopes in another President on OUR side, even if much brighter and capable than Trump, who may get stymied at every turn by The Establishment, not to mention deplatformed by the very same, why not start fighting these b____rds at the State level? Florida would be an excellent start. Rather than an ineffective President I like, I’d rather see a guy like Ron DeSantis tell the President “go f___ yourself!” at every turn.

    – Hey, isn’t this hatred of the guy who opposed Totalitarian LOCKDOWNs and various massive infringements on the rights of Floridians an actual REAL example of “Hating us for our freedoms”? It’d be cool if he used that expression.

    – I found about 4 (total) typos or homophone errors in this long piece. That beats Peak Stupidity probably by a factor of 10! If I find them again, I’ll point them out, and you can delete said comment.

    – Finally, this last note is O/T from the good Governor of Florida, but it’s right in both our wheelhouses. A writer named Lionel Shriver (it’s a she – always has been) who I like for her novels, just wrote a GREAT article in City Journal about the Totalitarianism in the UK – it’s The Most Frightened Nation. It also covers the very same Kung Flu stupidity many of us have been discussing for the last 1 1/2 years, as in, the incentives to log all deaths possible as “FROM COVID-19”, the low IFR, etc. Not only that, but you’ll be interested in her short take on the political divide. (It’s a long article, so for that part, do ctrl-f for “blue/red”.) Keep in mind, she’s been living in London a long time, so she may not have a good handle on that one part. Perhaps, this article is good for a post here. My discussion is here – Most Frightened Nation Status.

    • Hail says:

      I agree that bold governors could effectively challenge the US national government’s power. With the amount of ill feeling they have now, it could all cascade downward quickly.

      A reorganization is needed whereby the big-blue-metro-areas are detached from the states and made into self-governing free city-states, detached from the surrounding state. Lots of countries use this model. The arrangement of keeping the big cities within the same political entities as their surrounding states is an anachronism that makes little sense. This simple change alone would gracefully solve a lot.

  8. Hail says:

    Some data on Yale students and the 1997-entering cohort to make…

    A data-based IQ estimate for Ron DeSantis:

    There were 12,046 applicants for Yale admission for the class entering in the Fall 1997 semester. Of these, they offered admission to 2144 (18% of the applicants). Only 1307 accepted and attended (11% of applicants; 61% of those offered admission). This number (circa 1300 new Yale College students starting each year) has remained about the same since the 1950s.

    Ron DeSantis Jr. of Florida was one of these 1307. They were generally born in the mid-1978 to mid-1979 period (ages determined by US school calendar and when able to graduate high school).

    We don’t have DeSantis’ SAT scores but we do have the median scores for “accepted and attended” matriculant for the Fall 1997 Semester. The median was a 1440 (720 on each Verbal and Math) (10th-90th percentile ranges: verbal 620/800 and math 630/790).

    Given that he is White, we can fairly guess that Ron DeSantis got SAT scores in the higher 600s at least, and perhaps (likelier?) into the 700s. Using IQ blogger Pumpkin Person’s SAT-to-IQ conversion table, this would mean Ron DeSantis’ IQ is in the 130s.

    But there is some suggestion that a negative multiplier need be applied to Ivy League attendees on the proposed SAT-to-IQ conversion, to compensate for their “testing well”; i.e., SAT-to-IQ has been found to overestimate IQ scores achieved on actual, full-IQ tests. (This disassociation of SAT from IQ became definitely-true in the 2010s; see Unsilenced Science’s SAT-by-race graphs; IQs did not diverge but test scores did). Accounting for this, DeSantis’ IQ could be as low as the mid-120s but unlikely below that.

    Even allowing for the range of uncertainty and trying to compensate for it, DeSantis is almost definitely in the top-5% IQ, and a fairly good bet puts him in the top-2%.

    (There were about 3,300,000 Americans of the same age-range as Ron DeSantis (born mid-1978 to mid-1979) of whom perhaps 3,200,000 were living and in normal mental range. Of these 7,500 of them entered an Ivy League college in Fall 1997, around 0.25%. The secret is that these 0.25% were probably really drawn from (mostly) the top 2.5%, not the top 0.25%.)

  9. Hail says:

    They hate him for his freedoms!” (Peak Stupidity, Oct. 17, 2021) — commentary here referencing this post, especially on DeSantis’ local arch-enemy Daniel Uhfelder and the latter’s much-mocked “Remove Ron DeathSantis” tv spot.

    (See the Uhlfelder discussion in the original post here and in a previous post’s comment section).

  10. Jehu says:

    Just visited Florida myself, and it’s like a Different World, and, frankly a far better one. It’s no surprise people are relocating there in droves. I remember when Florida was considered (and was) kind of crazy. Now they’re the sanest state in the country. Who would have thought it?

    But DeSantis probably has quite a bit to do with that. He’s a solid guy, and a really good governor. I don’t know though whether he’s capable of realizing what’s going to have to be done though. Realizing that basically, every institution in your entire society bigger than about 150 people has to be utterly destroyed is probably the bitterest pill any man can swallow, especially for a man who is extremely successful.

    • Hail says:

      One thing about RD is how surprisingly young he is vis-a-vis the station in life he reached. Elected governor of a major state in 2018, the year he turned 40, that’s very young in our world in which the leading presidential candidates tend to be in their seventies, Biden is set to turn eighty in office, and if Trump won in 2024 he would turn eighty in office in his second non-consecutive term.

      This is a way to say RD probably realizes “it” more than Trump.

      RD was socialized into political consciousness in the 1990s. Elite circles, academia, and “Deep Blue” areas generally had already begin a pretty decisive swing in the post-American, anti-White”ness”, anti-Christian direction, Diverstiy Doctrine direction. It’s one which b.1940s/b.1950s people — even those seeing the changes up close — cannot, in my experience, appreciate.

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  12. Hail says:

    A new original-research investigation into Daniel Uhlfelder, mentioned in this post and in comment. He is the Florida nemesis of Ron DeSantis:

    On Daniel Uhlfelder, major Corona-activist and Panic-pusher

    It is meant specifically as a contrast with DeSantis. Uhfelder as archetypal Pro-Panic opinion-leader and DeSantis as archetypal Anti-Panic leader.

  13. Hail says:

    Have just realized this:

    The right-wing populist-nationalist Jim Traficant (D, in US Congress, 1985-2002) was repeatedly re-elected by the same Youngstown, Ohio, district where Ron DeSantis’ ancestors lived for most of the 1910s-1970s, and where DeSantis still (presumably) has many relatives.

  14. This story of Ron Dino DeSantis is amazing very well written.. what an awesome Governor. Florida is lucky to have him…

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  16. Fiorello LaGuardia says:

    This is insanity! First of all, desantis is a Greek name…not Italian! Second Ronny should be ashamed of himself, attacking an elder of same ancestry! Not how I was raised!!! Where is the respect for authority? He sounds like a thug with a hooligan background! Beware!!!!

    • Hail says:

      I am guessing DeSantis would not have “attacked” Fauci if Fauci had not pushed Panic, lockdowns, masks, all manner of life-disruptions, mandates, vaccine-passes, and other measures that triggered a major economic recession and all the other problems of the past two years!

  17. George says:

    Odd no one from Florida mentions running out of Oxygen in hospitals last August and massive number of deaths.

  18. Hail says:

    This post is now the consistently most-viewed post on Hail to You on a daily basis.

    If a Big Tech suppression is coming, as has hit most of the rest of this website since about Dec 2017 (when traffic mysteriously dropped overnight and pages began to become absent on Google), this “Ancestry of Ron DeSantis” post has so far slipped through the net.

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  20. Hail says:

    The anti-DeSantis crusader Daniel Uhlfelder (“it’s in my DNA,” he says, to fight DeathSantis until the last breath), is running for Attorney General of Florida trying to unseat DeSantis ally Ashley Moody.

    Uhlfelder’s slick campaign-video is revealing in many ways, on both himself and on the positioning of Ron DeSantis in U.S. politics.

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  22. Hail says:

    An anti-DeSantis gadfly and Corona-Panic-pusher is now fully on the scene, the below investigation amounting to a partial follow-up update on Ron DeSantis’ political career:

    Daniel Uhlfelder, the Covid-demagogue and Panic-pusher, runs for Florida attorney general 2022: his campaign and rivals” (Aug. 1, 2022).

  23. Hail says:

    An update on DeSantis For President 2024 prospects, via the latest CPAC members’ poll. Posted as a long comment in the Uhlfelder post of August 2022.

  24. Hail says:

    DeSANTIS vs. TRUMP 2024

    (Copied from a comment on the Daniel Uhlfelder post.)

    The PredictIt betting market is still operational, with millions of dollars on the line from real betters.

    (It came out that this New Zealand-hosted betting market may get shut down next year, but as for now it still operates and it will honor all bets made; the “shut-down” if it happens, means no new bets can be made.)

    Trump and DeSantis have repeatedly traded places for the lead in PredictIt this year, at least six times in the past few months.

    The PredictIt-implied odds of winning the Republican nomination in 2024, as of this writing, are:

    – 34% DeSantis (down from a recent high close to 40% in late June 2022)

    – 32% Trump Sr. (down from a high close to 40% for most of July 2022)

    – 5% “Nikki” Haley (uhh, Why??)

    – 4% Mike Pence

    – about 3% each: Pompeo, Cruz, Tom Cotton, Larry Hogan, Kristi Noem

    – 10%: Someone else.

  25. Anonymous says:

    Interesting research up until the very obvious slanted rhetoric spewed by Hail comparing DeSantis and Fauci who really had not a damn thing to do with DeSantis. It was the next thing to being slander against a tremendous scientist a sit could be when comparing this great man to a scientific know nothing that lied to the people of Florida about the Covid deaths and spread. That’s why he is refered to as DeathSantis.

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  27. Janice Saccomanno says:

    My family ancestry ties in with Ron DeSantis. Our grandparents immigrated from Abbruzzo Italy in the early 1900’s and settled in the Midwest. My great grandmother’s maiden name was Margarira Desantis. A long line of patriots serving the military from WWI until present. Families assimilated into America very successfully.

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  29. Hail says:

    A few of the latest twitter-comments, of the usual type and value from that place, which link to this article (the Ron DeSantis portrait at Hail To You):


    Dashing Claire (@dashingclaire) says:




    Blue Wave Janet (@janet60286241) says:

    “Ron DeSantis is like a lot of Americans. He came from somewhere. He’s exploiting people . It’s like human trafficking for a political purpose. Imagine if his relatives or ancestry were turned away. Doesn’t seem well thought out. It will backfire!!!”



    Johnnie Young (@Rockygator) says:

    “Ron DeSantis is an illegal alien from a poor slum in Italy”



    “Misaki V, Democracy Now ∞ Democracy Forever” (@MisakiV_USA) says:

    What makes him so ashamed of his family’s history? I’m proud of mine!

    • Hail says:

      I should add: these comments are all recent and in reference to Governor DeSantis’ “stunt” of delivering fifty illegal Latin American migrants to the elite island of Martha’s Vineyard, off the Massachusetts coast.

      The migrants got off the plane, began to wander around the self-declared “sanctuary for migrants” (which the island declared itself to be in the Trump era), and then were arrested and deported from the island, dumped off to be someone else’s problem. From arrival to “deportation,” 44 hours. There was a lot of anger over this, and a lot of mocking and crowing all around.

  30. Hail says:

    Welcome — to the big surge of visitors here arriving after the decisive DeSantis victory for Florida governor in November 2022.

  31. Paul Kruger says:

    What I find interesting, vis-a-vis the DeSantis family and assimilation, is that even though all of his grandparents were American-born, he is still 100% Italian, and all from nearby regions. It seems to me that most 4th-generation White Ethnics in the US are mixed with several different backgrounds, including Colonial American Protestant in many cases.

    So while the DeSantis family showed some early signs of assimilation (that you already laid out in your writing above), in some other ways, they lagged behind most other Italian-Americans in terms of assimilation.

    If you have any interest in doing an article on the ancestry of Paul Kruger or any other Boer leader, I’ve done a lot of research on them in the past couple years and would be happy to share it with you.

    • Hail says:

      It’s an interesting question you raise, on what “assimilation” means.

      I personally do not think the oft-heard idealized version of “assimilation” is an accurate representation of what White America is or was, at least not in the extreme form where any White person married at random any other, some instant pure-melting-pot society for the second-generation onward. In other words, the whole “melting-pot assimilation” idea is the legacy of ideological frameworks of several different periods, not actual experience.

      Most White Americans are still primarily implicitly loyal in ethnocultural-identity terms, to a flexible groupings from their own family-and-or-region. These quasi-ethnic groupings all exist within one large polity (continental-sized with global reach, ’empire’-scale), and as such they will work differently than how ethnicity might work in a nation of discrete nation-states tied to ethnicities.

      Back to the definition of “assimilation.” A long-running version of what this meant in the USA was people sticking with their own groups but partially adopting U.S. norms to some degree (rather than, I don’t know, the Amish model, or the historical Jewish model of separation; the self-ruled “ghettoes” or legendary-yore were actually demanded by Jewish leaders!). This definition of “assimilation” has plenty of space for a multi-generational, primarily-or-entirely-Italian family in ethnic-ancestry terms as long they adopt U.S. norms in other ways.

  32. JCS says:



  33. Rocky says:

    You may have neglected to document that DeSantis ordered for — I believe it was three cruise ships with sick and dead from Covid — to not make port and for passengers to make land in Florida and the sick sent to hospitals. He did not relent after some weeks I believe it was, and Trump finally had to order the ships to make port and the sick, dead, and all other passengers and crew to make land.

    • Hail says:

      I am not familiar with the details of what you write, but it’s true that DeSantis made a mistake in tentatively embracing the Panic early (Feb. to March).

      DeSantis then studied the issue in a serious way and concluded it was criminally overblown, and that embracing the Panic was a potential major social-economic-cultural disaster, which was the correct position. DeSantis had turned against the Panic by around sometime in April, or at least very definitely by May, and never went back. (All dates 2020.)

  34. Rocky says:

    DeSantis sending Florida National Guard troops to Ukraine was a mistake in my view, not unlike Bush sending US forces into Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama’s CIA coup of 2014 was anti-democratic and state sponsored terrorism, which DeSantis then jumped on board. Russia will finish and win the war begun in February 2022 for good reason of Russian national security, and Obama, Biden, and DeSantis legacy in Ukraine will be the well over 100,000 Ukrainian troop deaths and many more disabled from their amputations and wounds. This does not represent the prowess of a national leader, more like identified with the Bandera Nazis in WWII and today.

    • Hail says:

      Re: Ron DeSantis shipping FLorida National Guard to Ukraine (late 2021, ‘deployed’ Jan. 2022, serving as trainers)

      In the USA, state-based military forces under nominal control of governors and now exclusively called by the name “National Guard,” are a little bit of a puzzle to observers. “National Guard” is a strange name (is it not?) for state-based forces. In days of yore, these were called “state militia” and for practical purposes formed the bulk of U.S. forces in a war, but those days are long gone.

      In practice now (the way the U.S. armed forces have worked for the past century, and very definitely the past seventy-five or so years), the so-called “national guard” are just junior, cheaper versions of auxiliary to the U.S. (“federal”) military, a kind of reserve-pool of cheap manpower for the Pentagon to tap when needed. In practice governors are not in any way military commanders-in-chief. All these requests would come through the Pentagon.

      Ron DeSantis as governor does not have some kind of independent foreign policy and did not independently decide to send the few dozen Florida National Guard trainers to Ukraine in late-2021 out of his own policy. In theory he could have refused, but I don’t know of any governor that has refused Pentagon requests for “National Guard” in a very long time. In any case, too, recall that the U.S. government since the 1950s actively asserts its right to “federalize” the National Guard whenever convenient. Back in the World War I era and earlier (and maybe a little later), governors could still command their “National Guards,” but now they’re more like figureheads for them.

  35. Frank Rea says:

    Antionio Ruggerio, Tony Rodgers….a great-grandparent of Gov. DeSantis…you list his
    birthplace as Caserta and San Bartolomeo, Italy.
    Which is it”

  36. Eric says:

    Reblogged this on Calculus of Decay and commented:
    Now – now I. know where the term “effort post” comes from

  37. Eric says:

    Well done …this is a great job and the effort put in is the type of effort I wish to emulate in my own authored blog posts…

    Have been reading your blog for some seven years now…one of the best

  38. Mr. Hail, I hope you are doing OK, I haven’t seen you here or on Peak Stupidity lately.

    • Hail says:

      All is well. I have been taking a month-or-so break. I have still been checking in on PeakStupidity.com occasionally but haven’t commented so far in the latest go-round of this, the Year of the Rabbit.

      I likely will post something new of my own this week.

      I believe (as you know) in long-form writing, be it investigative-journalistic form, data-exploration form, or “essay” form, and the new post, left over from a long draft last year, will be likewise of comparable length to the one under which this is a comment (“Ron DeSantis: Son of Florida…” [2021].)

      I am more convinced than ever than the “mini-info-bite, noise-machine, attention-economy” style of discourse that we saw really rise to power in the 2010s needs as an antidote. The technologies and forces that have shaped this kind of sensationalistic info-gruel-flow are the ultimate cause of the Corona-Panic itself, I believe now.

      What is the antidote? I don’t know. Although I don’t have such an antidote, I can at least try to come up with new ideas and “explore” them, as you do, even if my humble website here has been under a grey-list or black-list for much of the past five-plus years.

      As I evaluate the landscape of our vast info-space now, it almost makes me think the value of writing and reading have cratered, which is a great shame because good ideas ultimately come from both writing and reading. Today’s sensationalistic and content-lite material is a cultural-civilizational disservice.

      You will notice how the definition of the word “content” itself has morphed subtly, such that a man who wakes up today from a ten- or fifteen-year coma will not recognize, at first, the way people are using the word (“content”).

      The new definition of “content” you often encounter online is: “me blabbering on Youtube, or the like, with flashy graphics, maybe some sound effects, maybe using some factoids I googled or whatever, entertainingly delivered to the digital-masses.” A lot of the aggregate time in a previous era dedicated to reading now goes to watching/listening this “content,” and that soaks up a lot of people’s free time for engaging with ideas or politics. Therefore, what you have is: “content”-less (‘content,’ def.1) digital-gruel, as delivered by the Almighty ubiquitous always-on high-speed Internet, is today what you will hear called “content” (‘content,’ def 2.), where def.1 is the standard meaning of the word “content” ca.2005, and where def.2 is the Internet-meaning of the word ca.2020 (def.2 was present with early-adopters by ca.2015 and made sweeping gains by ca.2020).

  39. As a first generation Italian-American,when someone claims Italian Heritage, I want to know where their foreberaers came from in Italy. This article informed me that he is 100% Italian-American and of Abbruzzo roots on his maternal side and Campanian (Avellino) on his paternal side. If elected president,he would be the first Italian-American U.S. president.I do not like his politics,and sadly,will never vote for him and do not want to see him as president…ever!

  40. Hail says:


    (see also, previous report, August 2022):

    The below are the implied percentage-chances for winning the 2024 Republican nomination, as of May 18, 2023, for various people. They are derived from PredictIt trading prices:

    (UPDATE, I converted and expanded this comment into a post of its own:
    The 2024 Republican nomination — betting market update, May 2023 — Trump 50%, DeSantis 28%, Other 22%. See the contents there.)

  41. Hail says:

    Greetings, to the surge of visitors here on the day that Ron DeSantis has declared his candidacy for president.

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